tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7882938588858436081.post4696740279724567145..comments2023-11-25T03:35:01.805+03:00Comments on Adopt and Adapt ICT-in-ELT: Is Digital Native the Proper Label? Simple Answer: NO!!Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13910226053073453593noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7882938588858436081.post-85354169547423090862012-09-29T13:56:53.188+03:002012-09-29T13:56:53.188+03:00SWALI, that's related to SPRE, isn't it? A...SWALI, that's related to SPRE, isn't it? Aye, we definitely need to convene, converse and consume. Regarding the Avengers activity, good to see SPRE used in a lit activity, as it's generally used in more EAP contexts.<br /><br />Cheers, GGordon Dobienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7882938588858436081.post-66906272841985463282012-09-27T14:26:33.304+03:002012-09-27T14:26:33.304+03:00Thanks for your reply Christina. The term "e...Thanks for your reply Christina. The term "explorer" is meant to mean that they are not even remotely worried when they are searching for things to make it work. Of course, they do give up very quickly, but they are so comfortable sliding between applications. That is impressive, but it is not always effective. As I wrote, the students at 13-14 really struggle to do anything outside their fb and games websites.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13910226053073453593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7882938588858436081.post-82512477694681161032012-09-27T10:10:45.970+03:002012-09-27T10:10:45.970+03:00hear! hear! i am in total agreement, and blogged a...hear! hear! i am in total agreement, and blogged about it a couple of years ago here: http://cbotbyl.wordpress.com/2010/04/26/changing-roles-in-21st-century-learning/<br /><br />your assessment that you have "football fanatics, shopaholics and procrastinators" seems spot on. as adults we don't always know what kids are doing on the screens in front of them (mostly because we can't always see what's happening), so we make assumptions that they must be doing all kinds of creative and stimulating activities.<br /><br />'digital explorer' definitely seems a term that captures the spirit of school-aged kids. they are willing to explore the digital world at their fingertips, but need guidance and support to be promoted to 'digital native.'Christina Botbylhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08885386188929143535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7882938588858436081.post-68607706819734835132012-09-24T10:29:27.961+03:002012-09-24T10:29:27.961+03:00Thanks Batcave Master for the comment. I used &qu...Thanks Batcave Master for the comment. I used "Digital native" to describe how young students have no fear for exploring the use of tablets, phones and netbooks. It is only for that I use it. By doing so, they do find their way round, re: your daughter, but inevitably they do stop very quickly. However, many people older than them are even scared to explore the desktop for fear of deletion etc. It appears to me that there are many more suitable terms / labels that could be used instead of the assumption that all students are "natives". As we know living in a foreign land for a great many years still does not make us natives, only visitors with many handicaps; whether it be language, bureaucracy, relationships etc. Thus teens are visitors to Microsoft or Apple products, Android and Web 2.0/3.0. It is just unfortunate that the former puts so many hurdles in place to hinder easy access and usability.<br />I am so happy that the post has garnered reaction and dialog. It is surely the benefit of such a blog post to see educators and those folk interested in the present and future to be listening to what others have to say. Thank you for your balanced response. Cheers min! Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13910226053073453593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7882938588858436081.post-51474521206561773412012-09-24T09:27:10.287+03:002012-09-24T09:27:10.287+03:00My three-year-old daughter is an absolute wizard w...My three-year-old daughter is an absolute wizard with iPads and other such devices; she even knows to tap the 'x' whenever an advert appears. However, laptops, or devices which require more competence, shall we say (for lack of a better phrase) because of keyboards and mouses, completely baffle her. Sure, she'll grow up to be a digital native, a phrase I'm not too comfortable with myself, but a digital explorer? Although I like the phrase, I'm afraid it might paint a negative picture of people who, for various reasons, aren't very good with computers. Would those people be Digitally Lazy because they don't explore / aren't interested in new technology? Digitally Useless because they can't go beyond the simple day-to-day functions of technological devices? Digitally Daft because, no matter how many times you say "save your work before shutting down" they just don't do it??? We need something fair and balanced. How about Digitally Familiar, i.e., I know my way around all sorts of devices, I'm not necessarily an expert, nor am I incompetent; I can also learn to use new devices fairly quickly / I can learn to use new devices almost instantaneously. Kemal Bosnakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00161985993805584329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7882938588858436081.post-64957374269842532042012-09-22T18:49:44.857+03:002012-09-22T18:49:44.857+03:00I thought it was amazing to see that out of 20 stu...I thought it was amazing to see that out of 20 students, only one knows how to type properly. It makes you wonder what is being taught during the normal computer lessons. It toally changed my perspective on the digital native paradigm.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09206992174654076966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7882938588858436081.post-77850745391637960662012-09-22T18:13:57.316+03:002012-09-22T18:13:57.316+03:00Thanks, Gordon. I totally agree, and in my presen...Thanks, Gordon. I totally agree, and in my presentation in Ankara this week I made that very point. YES! there are many positives, but watch out for teacher lethargy, and students unaware of the intentions, objectives and outcomes of their English. But, when you go to these conferences, so many people are saying that it is a solution. For me, it is a tool and we use it less than 50% in our program. As you can see above, we initiated the "Language Boot Camp" as a means of pulling their necks back in. As you are very well aware, so necessary with thirteen year olds in ESL contexts. Cheers min. BTW, I am still up for some collaboration in hz, or maybe a few swallies to whet the whistle, and of course to discuss the benefits?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13910226053073453593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7882938588858436081.post-19751253567206244782012-09-22T18:09:34.296+03:002012-09-22T18:09:34.296+03:00Thanks, Dave for your comment. I know exactly what...Thanks, Dave for your comment. I know exactly what you mean also with the frustrations involved doing the ICT-ELT paradigm shift. But even tho, I still find it more interesting when it is all working than what I started with in 1996, and continued for another 13 years. I only want folk in the UK (especially) to back off with their aspersions about how the world is in our ELT sector. They tend to promote such innocuous labels, which, quite frankly, get on my proverbial "native" goat. Cheers for the follow.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13910226053073453593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7882938588858436081.post-68505384427588198132012-09-22T17:59:49.173+03:002012-09-22T17:59:49.173+03:00Very good points, David. I'm still a bit of a ...Very good points, David. I'm still a bit of a Digital Luddite, and while definitely seeing the pretty amazing variety of resources and materials for language learners both online and in e-resources, I worry about the amount of interpersonal, communicative use they are put to in the learning process: without practice (using language for a purpose), acquisition cannot take place. <br /><br />Thanks again for an excellent piece.Gordon Dobienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7882938588858436081.post-53919312293284167222012-09-22T17:59:20.772+03:002012-09-22T17:59:20.772+03:00I've had simlar experiences to you David, albe...I've had simlar experiences to you David, albeit with slightly younger students. My school uses pbworks for it's base of digital operations and the difficulty tusdents have had with signing up for it has been staggering! Because they are registered with their email address some of them assume their email password will automatically be their log-in password. Others access the site from the registration email but then fail to set up their accounts properly and say they can't log in again...<br /><br />But, as you point out in your post, they are all comfortably active on Facebook, YouTube and online game services!<br /><br />It's always dangerous to assume that kids know what they are doing when it comes to tech and that's the path 'digital native' label leads us down. I think 'digital absorber' works - a lot of kids pick things up quickly once you show them but they don't always actively go out and experiment.DaveDodgsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16896292275243412346noreply@blogger.com